1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:27,100 We first moved here in March of 2020. 2 00:00:27,100 --> 00:00:31,400 The very first time that I saw something in the sky, 3 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,200 I really hesitated to say anything to anybody. 4 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,000 But it happened repetitively, maybe three, four times, 5 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,400 before I mentioned it to somebody down in Dublin, 6 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:44,400 they said, well, you know that this place is famous for that. 7 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,100 Do you know who Ezekiel was? 8 00:00:46,100 --> 00:00:47,000 Prophet. 9 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,100 Ezekiel was a prophet. 10 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:49,100 You're right. 11 00:00:49,100 --> 00:00:51,800 And it was a long time ago. 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,400 All right? 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,300 As a Homeland Security consultant, 14 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:56,800 I do a lot of threat analyst work. 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:02,200 Before the government, I've seen the government flat out lie, 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,400 where I was standing in the location they were lying about. 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,600 What I am seeing here is similar to the sightings 18 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,200 that they had by the guys in the Air Force. 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,300 It's the movement that catches your attention. 20 00:01:19,300 --> 00:01:22,300 And that fast movement, that's exactly how we're seeing it here. 21 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:24,300 Oh, jeez. 22 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:26,300 You're no right spooky. 23 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:28,300 It's something otherworldly. 24 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:30,300 There's no other way to describe that. 25 00:01:30,300 --> 00:01:34,300 And the star they had seen guided them to Bethlehem. 26 00:01:34,300 --> 00:01:36,300 One of the reasons why a lot of people don't believe 27 00:01:36,300 --> 00:01:39,300 is because they haven't seen it. 28 00:01:39,300 --> 00:01:43,300 And it messes with their concept of who we are 29 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:45,300 in relation to the universe. 30 00:01:45,300 --> 00:01:48,300 And it guided them so I knew where it was going. 31 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:49,300 Right? 32 00:01:49,300 --> 00:01:50,300 Mm. 33 00:01:50,300 --> 00:01:52,300 That means it was... 34 00:01:52,300 --> 00:01:53,300 UFO. 35 00:01:53,300 --> 00:01:54,300 UFO? 36 00:01:58,300 --> 00:01:59,300 Do I believe there's life on other planets? 37 00:01:59,300 --> 00:02:00,300 Yes. 38 00:02:00,300 --> 00:02:02,300 But I don't think these are people from another planet. 39 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:05,300 I still think these are what people call the angels. 40 00:02:05,300 --> 00:02:07,300 I think they're messengers. 41 00:02:07,300 --> 00:02:10,300 I mean, I'm dying to know what they've got to say. 42 00:02:10,300 --> 00:02:12,300 From the beginning of recorded time, 43 00:02:12,300 --> 00:02:15,300 men have been seen unexplainable things in the sky. 44 00:02:15,300 --> 00:02:17,300 Are we alone in the universe? 45 00:02:17,300 --> 00:02:21,300 Somewhere in the data will be something worth real inquiry. 46 00:02:21,300 --> 00:02:23,300 We have not been hiding anything. 47 00:02:23,300 --> 00:02:25,300 There are such things as interplanetary. 48 00:02:25,300 --> 00:02:27,300 I'm standing with an avian and yet big eyes. 49 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:30,300 There's something profoundly important going on here 50 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:32,300 that is authentic and authentic. 51 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:35,300 And I'm not saying that we're not going to be hiding anything. 52 00:02:35,300 --> 00:02:37,300 We're not going to be hiding anything. 53 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:40,300 There's something profoundly important going on here 54 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:42,300 that is authentic and real. 55 00:03:07,300 --> 00:03:10,300 How much of your work is classified? 56 00:03:10,300 --> 00:03:12,300 All of it. 57 00:03:12,300 --> 00:03:15,300 All of... everything I did all day long was classified. 58 00:03:15,300 --> 00:03:17,300 All of it. 59 00:03:17,300 --> 00:03:19,300 My name is Matthew Roberts. 60 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:22,300 I was a cryptologic technician 61 00:03:22,300 --> 00:03:25,300 in the U.S. Navy for 16 years. 62 00:03:25,300 --> 00:03:30,300 I was present on the USS Theodore Roosevelt 63 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:32,300 for the Gimbal event. 64 00:03:32,300 --> 00:03:37,300 So, that was the first time I saw the Gimbal footage. 65 00:03:40,300 --> 00:03:42,300 I don't... I can't even describe the shape. 66 00:03:42,300 --> 00:03:45,300 I mean, it looks a little bit disc-like. 67 00:03:45,300 --> 00:03:50,300 It's flying along, and then it kind of tilts up onto its side. 68 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:52,300 I don't know if you can see it, 69 00:03:52,300 --> 00:03:54,300 but it's a little bit disc-like. 70 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:56,300 It's a little bit disc-like. 71 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:58,300 It's a little bit disc-like. 72 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:00,300 It tilts up onto its side. 73 00:04:02,300 --> 00:04:04,300 I was watching this footage, 74 00:04:04,300 --> 00:04:08,300 and I could see no kind of aviation surfaces 75 00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:10,300 that you would expect to see. 76 00:04:10,300 --> 00:04:13,300 Wings, tail, you know, rudder. 77 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,300 There was none of that. 78 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:17,300 So, I couldn't really make sense of why this thing 79 00:04:17,300 --> 00:04:20,300 was kind of up in the air like it was. 80 00:04:20,300 --> 00:04:23,300 And I just... 81 00:04:23,300 --> 00:04:27,300 I had this kind of emotional response to it. 82 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:31,300 And at the time, I didn't understand that. 83 00:04:34,300 --> 00:04:36,300 I knew that it wasn't ours, right? 84 00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:39,300 I knew that it wasn't anybody else's. 85 00:04:43,300 --> 00:04:49,300 So, I mean, that only leaves one other option, I think. 86 00:04:50,300 --> 00:04:52,300 Which is what. 87 00:04:52,300 --> 00:04:55,300 And that's non-human tech, 88 00:04:55,300 --> 00:04:58,300 non-human intelligence technology. 89 00:05:02,300 --> 00:05:04,300 Because my job was classified 90 00:05:04,300 --> 00:05:07,300 and I had access to classified, 91 00:05:07,300 --> 00:05:13,300 I was kind of aware this was not a one-off event 92 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:15,300 for the Navy. 93 00:05:15,300 --> 00:05:19,300 These things happen frequently. 94 00:05:20,300 --> 00:05:22,300 All the time. 95 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:24,300 They happen all the time. 96 00:05:25,300 --> 00:05:27,600 All those types 97 00:05:55,300 --> 00:05:59,300 It's like the taste of milk with everything you eat. 98 00:05:59,300 --> 00:06:01,300 It's just a natural. 99 00:06:09,300 --> 00:06:11,300 Stephenville, Texas. 100 00:06:11,300 --> 00:06:13,300 The milk capital of the world. 101 00:06:13,300 --> 00:06:16,300 They put out quite a bit of milk over there. 102 00:06:16,300 --> 00:06:19,300 Something very strange about this area. 103 00:06:19,300 --> 00:06:22,300 I look at the sky quite often. 104 00:06:22,300 --> 00:06:24,300 I wonder what all is out there. 105 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:26,300 I wonder what we don't know about. 106 00:06:29,300 --> 00:06:31,300 I grew up around here. 107 00:06:34,300 --> 00:06:36,300 Nothing to do in these small towns. 108 00:06:36,300 --> 00:06:38,300 You want a fight? Sure. 109 00:06:38,300 --> 00:06:40,300 We'd have a fight. 110 00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,300 That same night we'd go camping or go fishing on the river down there. 111 00:06:43,300 --> 00:06:46,300 It's innocent fun. We'd have a good time. 112 00:06:46,300 --> 00:06:51,300 You know, I've been fascinated with engines of all types since I can remember. 113 00:06:52,300 --> 00:06:55,300 So much to where I started a trucking company. 114 00:06:55,300 --> 00:06:59,300 It became quite large. Had quite a few people working for me. 115 00:07:03,300 --> 00:07:09,300 I've always owned quite a few motorcycles, boats, airplanes. 116 00:07:09,300 --> 00:07:13,300 Just to see how it all works is just simply fascinating. 117 00:07:13,300 --> 00:07:18,300 In 2008, I had a great life. I had a successful business. 118 00:07:18,300 --> 00:07:22,300 I guess I'd been married 16, 17 years at that time. 119 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:25,300 Very blessed is all I can say. 120 00:07:25,300 --> 00:07:30,300 But what I saw in the sky that night changed everything. 121 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:41,300 It's been a long, cold winter, bad winter. 122 00:07:41,300 --> 00:07:44,300 That was the first day we had a decent day. 123 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:48,300 So we came out here to the top of the hill to have a campfire. 124 00:07:48,300 --> 00:07:53,300 It was myself, my coat and Lance Jones. 125 00:07:53,300 --> 00:07:58,300 Then all of a sudden I see some real bright, high intensity lights. 126 00:07:58,300 --> 00:08:02,300 Off to the east, headed our way at a high velocity of speed. 127 00:08:02,300 --> 00:08:06,300 The lights was so bright it was unlike anything I'd ever seen. 128 00:08:06,300 --> 00:08:09,300 It was almost blinding to look at them. 129 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:14,300 What amazed me is there was no wind noise, no engine noise. 130 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:16,300 There was silence. 131 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:25,300 When it came past us, I'd developed the most peaceful, easy feeling I think I've ever had in my life. 132 00:08:25,300 --> 00:08:29,300 It was almost like a religious experience. 133 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:32,300 Like I was at one with whatever it was. 134 00:08:32,300 --> 00:08:37,300 Something I've never had before or since then. It was unreal. 135 00:08:38,300 --> 00:08:41,300 And then another brief second, it just simply disappeared. 136 00:08:41,300 --> 00:08:45,300 It didn't streak off or anything. It just disappeared. 137 00:08:45,300 --> 00:08:51,300 And then you could count one second, two seconds, three seconds, and two F-16s came in hot pursuit, 138 00:08:51,300 --> 00:08:54,300 full afterburner hanging out. 139 00:08:54,300 --> 00:09:00,300 And in my head I'm wondering, is it war of the worlds or what was going on? 140 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:05,300 I got in my car and I went back to my house and my wife says, what happened? 141 00:09:05,300 --> 00:09:07,300 She could tell I was visibly shaking. 142 00:09:07,300 --> 00:09:12,300 I told her what happened and she says, whatever you do, don't tell anybody about it. 143 00:09:12,300 --> 00:09:14,300 And she says, people think we're crazy. 144 00:09:14,300 --> 00:09:20,300 And I said, actually I don't care what people think about us all, I know what I saw. 145 00:09:20,300 --> 00:09:26,300 That next day I called the newspaper, Stephenville Empire Tribune, E.T. 146 00:09:26,300 --> 00:09:31,300 It had been a slow news day, the day that the UFO story broke. 147 00:09:32,300 --> 00:09:36,300 Angel Joyner was working in the newsroom and she had gotten a call from Steve Allen. 148 00:09:36,300 --> 00:09:41,300 He was a local pilot and he told her that he saw something strange in the sky. 149 00:09:41,300 --> 00:09:47,300 He said something like, okay, I really need to tell you something, but I don't want you to think I'm crazy. 150 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:52,300 And he began telling me a story that I found pretty incredible. 151 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:57,300 And Angel had a brief conversation with him and came to my office and said, you're never going to believe this, 152 00:09:57,300 --> 00:10:01,300 but it was late in the afternoon and we really had our stories together. 153 00:10:01,300 --> 00:10:05,300 So I was like, yeah, sure, check it out and we'll talk about it tomorrow when I get to the office. 154 00:10:09,300 --> 00:10:15,300 I grew up in California, I got engaged and my husband was in the dairy business and his family had come out here. 155 00:10:15,300 --> 00:10:17,300 So we got married and we moved. 156 00:10:18,300 --> 00:10:21,300 It was a startling change for me. 157 00:10:22,300 --> 00:10:28,300 As a managing editor, I was responsible for all of the content and I had a lot to prove. 158 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:33,300 I was the youngest editor that had ever been hired to be the managing editor of the paper. 159 00:10:33,300 --> 00:10:37,300 I was the second female and I was still seen as an outsider. 160 00:10:37,300 --> 00:10:42,300 So inside I was dealing with a lot of insecurity, I think. 161 00:10:42,300 --> 00:10:53,300 The next morning, I picked up my paper and saw UFO in huge font across the top of the paper. 162 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:57,300 I just felt like the wind was just completely knocked out of me. 163 00:10:57,300 --> 00:11:00,300 I thought this is the end of my career. 164 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:07,300 Steve Allen, Mike Odom and Lance Jones were out admiring a beautiful Texas sunset Tuesday evening when they saw something none of them can explain. 165 00:11:07,300 --> 00:11:13,300 I had a publisher at the time and she was the one that told Angela, you're going with this tonight and she changed the whole front page. 166 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:16,300 She was the boss, she was the top dog, so she did whatever she wanted. 167 00:11:16,300 --> 00:11:21,300 But I was in charge of the newsroom and so I felt like people were going to question my credibility. 168 00:11:21,300 --> 00:11:22,300 My news judgment. 169 00:11:22,300 --> 00:11:25,300 The ship wasn't really visible and was totally silent. 170 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:29,300 But the light spanned about a mile and a half long and a mile and a half wide. 171 00:11:29,300 --> 00:11:31,300 That really sent me over the edge too. 172 00:11:31,300 --> 00:11:33,300 I mean aside from the headline, just the ship. 173 00:11:33,300 --> 00:11:38,300 Like we were naturally assuming that this was some kind of a spaceship out there. 174 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:41,300 When I walked through those doors, I was like a crazy woman. 175 00:11:41,300 --> 00:11:42,300 I was furious. 176 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,300 I remember walking into the publisher's office and I was screaming and crying. 177 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:48,300 Like you have, what have you done? 178 00:11:48,300 --> 00:11:50,300 She was like, well, you're wrong. 179 00:11:50,300 --> 00:11:52,300 You are, you're absolutely wrong about all of this. 180 00:11:52,300 --> 00:11:55,300 We've sold out every newspaper in the county. 181 00:11:55,300 --> 00:12:01,300 When I start reading the story, my brain just goes to 100 miles an hour. 182 00:12:01,300 --> 00:12:05,300 I thought to myself, man, what I saw, other people saw it. 183 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:08,300 You know, do I tell anybody what I do? 184 00:12:08,300 --> 00:12:19,300 It was my wife's birthday and we wanted to run a movie. 185 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:25,300 And I came outside to my squad car to get my credit card. 186 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:30,300 As I'm walking back, something caught my attention. 187 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:33,300 I saw what appeared. 188 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:36,300 I call it a bubble or an orb. 189 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:41,300 It was a reddish orange, fiery looking color, really big. 190 00:12:41,300 --> 00:12:43,300 And I focused in on it. 191 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:47,300 And that's when I noticed. 192 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:51,300 My little boy and he said, look dad. 193 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:56,300 It was these bright lights flashing like a pulsating thing. 194 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:58,300 Like that. 195 00:12:58,300 --> 00:13:00,300 They had spread out. 196 00:13:00,300 --> 00:13:04,300 There was 11 or 12 lights that I was able to count. 197 00:13:04,300 --> 00:13:09,300 All of a sudden, these things just shoot off at a blazing speed. 198 00:13:09,300 --> 00:13:13,300 Well, it was probably what seemed to me maybe a minute or two. 199 00:13:13,300 --> 00:13:17,300 I hear jets coming. 200 00:13:17,300 --> 00:13:23,300 They were flying in the same direction, the same path as these lights. 201 00:13:23,300 --> 00:13:29,300 You know, I think those jets were the same ones that Steve Allen saw. 202 00:13:29,300 --> 00:13:34,300 After the newspaper came out, I get the call from Leroy Gaten. 203 00:13:34,300 --> 00:13:37,300 I didn't know him at the time, but he told me his story, 204 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:41,300 which time wise matched exactly what ours did. 205 00:13:41,300 --> 00:13:45,300 And I said, Leroy, can you help us out with this a little bit? 206 00:13:45,300 --> 00:13:48,300 He said, no, I can't. I'm sorry. 207 00:13:48,300 --> 00:13:52,300 I'm voted in by my peers to protect them. 208 00:13:52,300 --> 00:13:54,300 You're just like the sheriff is. 209 00:13:54,300 --> 00:13:58,300 What are they going to think that I'm one of the guys that said I saw these lights? 210 00:13:58,300 --> 00:14:00,300 I thought he was going to ruin me. 211 00:14:00,300 --> 00:14:02,300 And I said, I understand. 212 00:14:02,300 --> 00:14:03,300 But I said, come on, Leroy. 213 00:14:03,300 --> 00:14:06,300 I need somebody with a little credibility to add to it. 214 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:09,300 He said, I saw something special that he ruined you too. 215 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:12,300 And I think the world needs to know. 216 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:17,300 Somebody like Leroy Gaten has a lot to lose. 217 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:22,300 I have a lot of respect for him because when I called, he hesitated a little bit. 218 00:14:22,300 --> 00:14:24,300 Then he said, no, I think it's important. 219 00:14:24,300 --> 00:14:27,300 He said, well, what we saw was really different. 220 00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:31,300 I just saw some strange lights traveling at a high rate of speed, 221 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:34,300 doing some things that I've never seen anything before in my life. 222 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:39,300 That was, I think, the first big county official that she was able to get 223 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:44,300 that went on the record with it gave really the story a lot of credibility. 224 00:14:51,300 --> 00:14:55,300 When I first heard about these reports, the first thing that went through my mind was, 225 00:14:55,300 --> 00:14:57,300 OK, something significant happened. 226 00:14:57,300 --> 00:15:00,300 Now, as to what happened at that point, I didn't know. 227 00:15:00,300 --> 00:15:03,300 But it was definitely worth investigating. 228 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:08,300 My degrees in chemistry, I was an engineering manager in the semi-conditioning department. 229 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:11,300 I was an engineer in the semiconductor field. 230 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:17,300 And for the last 16 years, I have spent my time studying the UFO phenomenon. 231 00:15:17,300 --> 00:15:22,300 And my goal has always been to try to bring science to this subject. 232 00:15:22,300 --> 00:15:26,300 MUFON stands for the Mutual UFO Network. 233 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:31,300 It's an organization that investigates UFO sightings. 234 00:15:31,300 --> 00:15:36,300 In 2008, I was the director of research at MUFON. 235 00:15:36,300 --> 00:15:40,300 And I remember I was monitoring reports as they came in, 236 00:15:40,300 --> 00:15:46,300 and I suddenly saw over 20 reports in one geographic area, Stephenville and Dublin. 237 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:51,300 And I knew then that something unusual had happened. 238 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:55,300 My view at that point in time was, we need to get there as soon as possible 239 00:15:55,300 --> 00:16:01,300 and investigate this while everyone's memory is fresh. 240 00:16:01,300 --> 00:16:05,300 We were contacted by MUFON, and I never heard of MUFON, 241 00:16:05,300 --> 00:16:08,300 but they wanted to set up an investigation. 242 00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:14,300 And so we said, well, we've got the rotary building, and you're welcome to come in here. 243 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:19,300 I'm the chairman of the board of the First National Bank of Dublin. 244 00:16:19,300 --> 00:16:27,300 My grandfather was mayor of Dublin in the 30s, and then my dad was mayor. 245 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:29,300 My brother was mayor. 246 00:16:29,300 --> 00:16:34,300 So, yeah, we've been in Erath County in this area for a long time. 247 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:41,300 Investigators from the Mutual UFO Network plan to look into the Stephenville sightings this weekend. 248 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:45,300 I was setting things up, and the guy said, 35 is probably max. 249 00:16:45,300 --> 00:16:48,300 I don't know if we've ever had that many show up. 250 00:16:48,300 --> 00:16:57,300 We set up 35, 40 chairs there, and then the door opens up, and it's like it just filled up. 251 00:16:57,300 --> 00:17:01,300 Hundreds of people crowded Dublin's rotary club to share their stories. 252 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:05,300 What I saw was a very large blue light. 253 00:17:05,300 --> 00:17:07,300 They threw big round objects. 254 00:17:07,300 --> 00:17:09,300 You can't see through it. You can't see in it. 255 00:17:09,300 --> 00:17:12,300 It was going so fast that it didn't make any noise. 256 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:19,300 The building was packed. There were people even outside on the sidewalk. 257 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:23,300 Some of the people who had come, they just turned around and walked off. 258 00:17:23,300 --> 00:17:26,300 They didn't even want to deal with the number of people there. 259 00:17:26,300 --> 00:17:30,300 At least 500 people filled the room, witnesses who saw the light. 260 00:17:30,300 --> 00:17:35,300 The Mufon folks were kind of just taking back because they've never seen anything like this. 261 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:40,300 There are an extremely small number of cases where we get a mass sighting like this. 262 00:17:40,300 --> 00:17:45,300 We put all those chairs out, and there was still people standing around the room. 263 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:48,300 I'd like to see a show of hands who the witnesses are. 264 00:17:48,300 --> 00:17:51,300 It was like everybody there had seen something. 265 00:17:51,300 --> 00:17:56,300 We're approaching 100 people probably that have seen something in regard to this. 266 00:17:56,300 --> 00:18:01,300 The Houston papers that are there, the Dallas papers, the papers from outside of Texas. 267 00:18:01,300 --> 00:18:04,300 The best way I can describe it was a media circus. 268 00:18:04,300 --> 00:18:09,300 The next day or two we were just inundated with media from all over the country. 269 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:14,300 Dozens of people in a small Texas town are talking about some unexpected visitors. 270 00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:15,300 Do you guys believe in UFOs? 271 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:16,300 Yes. 272 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,300 They get possible. 273 00:18:17,300 --> 00:18:18,300 Yes. 274 00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:21,300 I realized that the entire city had totally transformed. 275 00:18:22,300 --> 00:18:29,300 The skies over Stevenville haven't looked the same since a UFO reportedly made tracks across it January 8th. 276 00:18:29,300 --> 00:18:33,300 Stevenville, the North Texas town is swept up in UFO mania. 277 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:36,300 They had Japanese film crews, Brazilian film crews. 278 00:18:36,300 --> 00:18:40,300 The Japanese film crews asked, why does it keep coming to Stevenville? 279 00:18:40,300 --> 00:18:44,300 Then jokingly I said, well, it's the milk capital of the world. 280 00:18:44,300 --> 00:18:46,300 They said, oh, they like milk. 281 00:18:46,300 --> 00:18:49,300 Ah, eerie. 282 00:18:49,300 --> 00:18:54,300 I wonder their kind of gray and sickly looking vitamin D deficiencies. 283 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:55,300 Got milk. 284 00:18:55,300 --> 00:19:01,300 The high school science club designed a t-shirt and made $4,000. 285 00:19:01,300 --> 00:19:03,300 I can't even believe it. 286 00:19:03,300 --> 00:19:06,300 Aluminum foil hats to ward off alien minecrobes. 287 00:19:06,300 --> 00:19:07,300 Nice look, guy. 288 00:19:07,300 --> 00:19:10,300 People are really having a good time with this thing. 289 00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:12,300 It's the most excitement Stevenville's had in a long time. 290 00:19:12,300 --> 00:19:13,300 Yeah. 291 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:14,300 So we probably won't end here. 292 00:19:14,300 --> 00:19:22,300 One evening my husband and I happened to go out to dinner at a restaurant and it was packed. 293 00:19:22,300 --> 00:19:27,300 And all of a sudden the TVs came on and there was, there they were. 294 00:19:27,300 --> 00:19:31,300 They were dancing around and they were flickering. 295 00:19:31,300 --> 00:19:35,300 Tonight's strange sights in the night sky is over Texas fuel. 296 00:19:35,300 --> 00:19:37,300 Other worldly questions. 297 00:19:37,300 --> 00:19:40,300 When that came on, there was just a hush. 298 00:19:40,300 --> 00:19:42,300 Everybody just was riveted. 299 00:19:42,300 --> 00:19:46,300 Angela joined her staff writer for the Empire Tribune who has talked to several witnesses. 300 00:19:46,300 --> 00:19:51,300 Very similar stories from people that have called in and emailed me. 301 00:19:51,300 --> 00:19:55,300 So I think there's been a lot of consistency in the spottings. 302 00:19:55,300 --> 00:19:59,300 Angela did not treat the story like it was a fun and game story. 303 00:19:59,300 --> 00:20:01,300 She, she took it serious from the very beginning. 304 00:20:01,300 --> 00:20:05,300 After doing the first story, I did get a little spooked. 305 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:11,300 I thought, oh my gosh, this is bigger than, than what I even dreamed it could be. 306 00:20:12,300 --> 00:20:21,300 It was nice that people were calling me going, hey, I saw the front page and it was saying Dublin and it's kind of like, wow, that's great. 307 00:20:21,300 --> 00:20:25,300 But then at the same time, people, there's some that just love to ridicule. 308 00:20:25,300 --> 00:20:28,300 They love to kind of knock somebody off their horse. 309 00:20:28,300 --> 00:20:36,300 There was some radio stations out of Fort Worth came down and, and basically just to make fun, you know. 310 00:20:36,300 --> 00:20:40,300 They took my job, they took my wife, but they're not getting my pickup truck. 311 00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:44,300 It was people that showed up just to try to discredit these folks. 312 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:48,300 When one of those old green monsters start walking up here, then I'll believe it. 313 00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:56,300 And so when these sightings started taking place, we saw it, but we didn't really say a whole lot about it. 314 00:21:03,300 --> 00:21:05,300 You know, it was starting to get a little dark. 315 00:21:05,300 --> 00:21:07,300 It was about this time of night. 316 00:21:07,300 --> 00:21:13,300 My friend Kent was telling us this story about something that he saw a few days before. 317 00:21:13,300 --> 00:21:18,300 I looked up and I'm saying, yeah, that's just not normal for me. 318 00:21:18,300 --> 00:21:24,300 He saw this, this huge, he called it a Dorito. 319 00:21:24,300 --> 00:21:28,300 It looked like a triangle or I said originally a Dorito. 320 00:21:28,300 --> 00:21:35,300 He stands up and he's stretching his back and all of a sudden he goes, they're back. 321 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:38,300 And I said, who's back? 322 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:46,300 And he just points, I see this big triangular vessel, but what's amazing is there's no sound. 323 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:48,300 There is no sound whatsoever. 324 00:21:48,300 --> 00:21:53,300 I couldn't process what I was seeing because it was huge. 325 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:58,300 And you just look and you think, what is that thing? 326 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:04,300 And then all of a sudden it's gone, almost like it just vanished. 327 00:22:04,300 --> 00:22:11,300 I was not scared, but it was almost where I'm thinking, beginning to doubt myself. 328 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:13,300 Did I even see anything? 329 00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:18,300 And it was like the next day it's like, don't tell anybody. 330 00:22:18,300 --> 00:22:25,300 When you sit there and you say, yeah, I just saw this, this vessel or I saw these lights. 331 00:22:25,300 --> 00:22:27,300 Well, who do we tell about it? 332 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:31,300 And if we did, what kind of flak are we going to take? 333 00:22:36,300 --> 00:22:41,300 What we don't understand, we try to explain it on that side. 334 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:49,300 But also our culture is very open to accepting things that we don't necessarily see or understand. 335 00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:54,300 We don't spend all the time in the facts, like here in the United States. 336 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:59,300 What is inexplicable doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a reality or a fact. 337 00:23:01,300 --> 00:23:05,300 In 2008, what I saw were lights in the sky. 338 00:23:05,300 --> 00:23:11,300 The neat thing about it was that when I saw those, I remembered that they were exactly the same as the first time I saw them. 339 00:23:11,300 --> 00:23:13,300 Because I saw them the first time as a teenager. 340 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,300 We were originally from Mexico. 341 00:23:24,300 --> 00:23:27,300 And for Christmas break, we were getting ready to travel. 342 00:23:27,300 --> 00:23:30,300 See, we trucked on in Mexico with our family. 343 00:23:30,300 --> 00:23:34,300 My mother, the evening before, was on the dairy farm. 344 00:23:34,300 --> 00:23:40,300 And she says, I was out there feeding the calves and these lights were appearing up in the sky like bubbles. 345 00:23:40,300 --> 00:23:43,300 You know, could it be evil spirits or something? 346 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:46,300 Because we tend to be a very superstitious culture. 347 00:23:46,300 --> 00:23:50,300 And so when she saw those, she was very much startled and she was afraid. 348 00:23:50,300 --> 00:23:56,300 That next day that we were on our way to travel to Mexico, we were in our vehicle already loaded up and headed out. 349 00:23:56,300 --> 00:24:02,300 And these lights started coming up and my mom said, those are the ones I saw yesterday. 350 00:24:02,300 --> 00:24:06,300 And me and my sister and my other sibling saw those at that time. 351 00:24:07,300 --> 00:24:09,300 It wasn't something that we could explain. 352 00:24:09,300 --> 00:24:15,300 All I know is that what I saw in 1989 was the same thing that I saw in 2008. 353 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,300 We were coming back from Fort Worth, me and my husband. 354 00:24:21,300 --> 00:24:27,300 About this time in the evening, we could see the lights up in this area. 355 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:31,300 It was like they would bubble in one spot and then bubble in another spot. 356 00:24:31,300 --> 00:24:37,300 And it was too fast for any airplane or helicopter to do. 357 00:24:39,300 --> 00:24:45,300 As we're looking up, I'm hanging out the door with my camera trying to take pictures of it. 358 00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:50,300 But the camera, it just wasn't fast enough to be able to take those pictures. 359 00:24:50,300 --> 00:24:52,300 Then they were gone. 360 00:24:55,300 --> 00:24:59,300 I do believe that when people come to our area, it's for a reason. 361 00:24:59,300 --> 00:25:01,300 If they're here, why are they here? 362 00:25:03,300 --> 00:25:07,300 Today we're going to be talking about Don Quixote. Who's familiar with Don Quixote? 363 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:11,300 I love working with students. I've always told them, you have a mind of your own. 364 00:25:11,300 --> 00:25:14,300 You need to see what information A and information B has. 365 00:25:14,300 --> 00:25:20,300 Not going against their parents or going against any type of doctrine, but just to be informed. 366 00:25:22,300 --> 00:25:25,300 We was very driven to find out what it was that we saw. 367 00:25:26,300 --> 00:25:31,300 The more we dug into it, I kept developing more questions and answers. 368 00:25:32,300 --> 00:25:36,300 I don't have enough nerve to call the NAS, the Naval Air Station. 369 00:25:36,300 --> 00:25:41,300 Angela, she did. She'd called in there and talked to Major Carl Lewis. 370 00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:47,300 I called him to check out were there F-16s in the area. 371 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:51,300 He said, no, we did not have any F-16s in the area. 372 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:56,300 The Air Force says none of its planes were in the area at the time of the sightings. 373 00:25:56,300 --> 00:26:02,300 Angela told me that and he'd come back with all kinds of excuses what we thought we might have seen. 374 00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:06,300 One excuse was a reflection off of a high altitude jet airliner. 375 00:26:06,300 --> 00:26:11,300 And she says, what do you think about that? And I said, is it reflection off of my shiny white ass? 376 00:26:13,300 --> 00:26:17,300 I was really worried about Steve Allen. You could tell he was just haggard. 377 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:27,300 His wife told me he was on the internet constantly looking for pictures, trying to find something that looked like what he had seen. 378 00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:34,300 I told my wife that several of us was going to get our airplanes and go look for it. 379 00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:41,300 And she, of course, didn't like that idea, but it's like telling a kid to do something. We're going to do what we want to. 380 00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:52,300 Our first thought was we hoped we would find where it was based out of, because it appeared out of nowhere. 381 00:26:54,300 --> 00:26:58,300 We explored all possibilities. We combed the whole area. 382 00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:05,300 Then on about the third night, we was talking to each other on the radio. 383 00:27:05,300 --> 00:27:09,300 I said, do you guys ever feel like you're looking for a needle in a haystack? 384 00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:16,300 What I saw happen in Steve's is the same thing I've seen happen in a lot of witnesses. 385 00:27:16,300 --> 00:27:19,300 You've got this feeling of control. 386 00:27:19,300 --> 00:27:27,300 And then suddenly you see something close to you and it does something that is so impoverished. 387 00:27:28,300 --> 00:27:35,300 It's impossible that it just shakes the underpinnings of what they have always thought the world was. 388 00:27:35,300 --> 00:27:42,300 Ricky Surrell's was deer hunting in these woods when he says the UFO stopped and hovered just over his head. 389 00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:45,300 And I did just like this and I could see it. 390 00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:54,300 Ricky Surrell has a very interesting story. Ricky actually had a UFO sighting almost two weeks, roughly, before the Stephen Bill Mints. 391 00:27:59,300 --> 00:28:04,300 I met Ricky personally and he told me the story of what happened. 392 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:11,300 He was out deer hunting. All of a sudden, everything got dark like clouds had come over it. 393 00:28:11,300 --> 00:28:15,300 Well, he looked up and there was an object above him. 394 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:23,300 He couldn't tell its size or its shape because it was so large that just covered everything above him. 395 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:29,300 He raised his rifle up and looked at it through the scope so he could get a better view of it. 396 00:28:29,300 --> 00:28:35,300 And he says I looked it over and there was no bolts, no rivets, and it just seemed seamless all over it. 397 00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:37,300 And that's all he could see. 398 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:43,300 And he says I started to go ahead and shoot it, but he got to thinking that wasn't the smartest thing I'd ever done. 399 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:46,300 Surrell's didn't want to start an interstellar war. 400 00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:51,300 And when it took off, it took off so fast, I would have blinked. I would have thought it vanished. 401 00:28:52,300 --> 00:29:00,300 He said, you know, the amazing thing is that this huge object that took off at such a high speed, it should have just sucked me right along with it. 402 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:04,300 And he said there was nothing, no sound, no wind, nothing. 403 00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:09,300 Somehow that object didn't interact with the atmosphere. 404 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:19,300 There was one morning Ricky came to my house and Ricky is in tears. 405 00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:24,300 Me and I asked him, man, what's going on? He said, Leroy people are harassing me at my own house. 406 00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:32,300 Who's harassing you? He said, I don't know. He said they tell me that they work for the government. 407 00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,300 Ricky was definitely being intimidated. 408 00:29:37,300 --> 00:29:41,300 He found a bullet. It was definitely military grade. 409 00:29:41,300 --> 00:29:46,300 He thinks they may have left that on purpose to persuade him not to be speaking about it. 410 00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:50,300 The next thing I know, he is calling me. He said something's going on. Somebody's bothering me. 411 00:29:50,300 --> 00:29:54,300 I'm having all these helicopters flying over my place. 412 00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:58,300 They are, they're just trying to get me out of here. 413 00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:01,300 I'm trying to get them out of here. 414 00:30:01,300 --> 00:30:06,300 I'm having all these helicopters flying over my place. 415 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:10,300 They are running my cattle to death. 416 00:30:10,300 --> 00:30:14,300 And he came to me out of concern for my safety. 417 00:30:14,300 --> 00:30:20,300 Angela assuming that Ricky is not nuts. What do you make of this? 418 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:30,300 Well, I feel that perhaps Ricky might have been singled out simply because he was the one that had a daytime sighting. 419 00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:37,300 He had more detail than anyone else and I wondered if that might be why he was singled out. 420 00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:42,300 Suddenly Ricky starts talking to everybody. 421 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:47,300 I think Ricky saw a lot more than what the rest of us saw. 422 00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:57,300 Ricky has said he saw some sort of something inside the aircraft and it resembles some sort of insect or maybe even a praying mantis. 423 00:30:57,300 --> 00:31:12,300 I think that Ricky was possibly approached by someone and offered a monetary agreement. They wanted him quiet. 424 00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:18,300 A military colonel called me one afternoon at my house and talked to me about an hour and 45 minutes. 425 00:31:18,300 --> 00:31:23,300 He says we've had a lot of discussion about you and what to do with you. 426 00:31:23,300 --> 00:31:27,300 You're kind of a high profile guy if you just was happened to come up missing there. 427 00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:31,300 It kind of looks suspicious. 428 00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:36,300 They're all going against the wind. The wind's 100.0. 429 00:31:36,300 --> 00:31:45,300 I found myself watching the footage over and over again almost obsessively. 430 00:31:46,300 --> 00:31:53,300 I had no awareness of what the upper chain of command was doing with this information. 431 00:31:53,300 --> 00:32:00,300 In 2017 I transferred to the office of Naval Intelligence. I was going to be an analyst there. 432 00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:14,300 Shortly after I arrived I started to have these follow on experiences with the phenomenon. 433 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:20,300 That was like the beginning of seeing non-human entities in my room at night. 434 00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:35,300 I would wake up several times a week and I would feel my body kind of sliding across the bed. 435 00:32:35,300 --> 00:32:38,300 I knew that they were taking me. 436 00:32:38,300 --> 00:32:46,300 I woke up because I felt a hand grab my arm right here. 437 00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:52,300 I went to try and raise my hands to my face to wipe the sleep away. 438 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:55,300 I realized I couldn't move. 439 00:32:55,300 --> 00:33:08,300 I could just see this outline of a shadowy figure with a torso, two arms and a head standing over me. 440 00:33:09,300 --> 00:33:15,300 When I was in the Navy and I saw this footage I knew that there was something out there. 441 00:33:15,300 --> 00:33:18,300 I knew there was something non-human out there. 442 00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:24,300 So I knew when they started showing up in my room that all of this was real. 443 00:33:24,300 --> 00:33:29,300 I had the luxury of knowing that I wasn't going crazy. 444 00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:32,300 I knew what it was. 445 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:44,300 There's all kinds of sensor evidence, radar evidence. 446 00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:51,300 I think that there's enough footage that if they just released all of it and said, hey, this is what we have, 447 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:53,300 they don't even have to give an explanation. 448 00:33:53,300 --> 00:33:57,300 They just say, we don't know. This is what we got. 449 00:33:57,300 --> 00:34:06,300 There would be no doubt as to whether or not the phenomenon is real. Everyone would know it. 450 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,300 The U.S. military is now saying it was fighter jets, not UFOs, 451 00:34:11,300 --> 00:34:14,300 that folks were seeing in the Stephenville area earlier this month. 452 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:19,300 The military now says it was training in the area after all. 453 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:23,300 10 F-16s over the Brownwood Military Operating Area. 454 00:34:23,300 --> 00:34:28,300 The military spokesman blames an internal communications error for giving out false information. 455 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:32,300 There was no more news sightings. 456 00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:36,300 We were clearly not going to get an answer from the government or what this could have been. 457 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:42,300 So unless we have something new and significant to report about it, we need to get on to other things. 458 00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:49,300 It was a hard thing for Angela. She really had a hard time letting go of it and breaking away from it. 459 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:52,300 I just couldn't abandon those witnesses. 460 00:34:52,300 --> 00:35:02,300 They were thrust into the limelight just like I was. Plus, it was shaking them to their very core about what they had seen. 461 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:08,300 I had given her an assignment and I had this feeling that she wasn't doing it that day. 462 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:15,300 And she left and I got on her computer and discovered some emails that she had sent saying that the newspaper and the management here, 463 00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:22,300 specifically, I had gotten pressured to shut it down from the government and the city officials. 464 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:27,300 And I was pretty upset about that because none of that was true. 465 00:35:27,300 --> 00:35:33,300 A very strange story with Angela. She came into work one morning and her computer was gone. 466 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:39,300 And she says, hey, what happened to my computer and my stuff? And I told her she didn't work there anymore. 467 00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:44,300 Was it a termination? Yes, but also she didn't want to be there anymore. She wanted to continue this. 468 00:35:44,300 --> 00:35:48,300 And that was a story that I was happy to move on from. 469 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:56,300 If you look at the UFO phenomenon, it's gone on for 75 years in the modern era. 470 00:35:56,300 --> 00:36:02,300 And yet today, we still don't know much more than we knew 75 years ago. 471 00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:12,300 That's troubling for many in the field of science because there's no crystal clear solid evidence. 472 00:36:12,300 --> 00:36:18,300 And that's the mystery of this phenomenon is like, where is the evidence? 473 00:36:34,300 --> 00:36:39,300 Three o'clock in the morning, I'd been out working a moonlighting job in Stephenville. 474 00:36:40,300 --> 00:36:43,300 There's an alarm call at this business. 475 00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:48,300 I went ahead and advised the State Department that I was close by, I would take the call. 476 00:36:48,300 --> 00:36:56,300 And when I get out of the car, I look and I see a post-saturday nore up in the sky. 477 00:36:56,300 --> 00:37:02,300 Got my dash cam and positioned it trying to videotape this object. 478 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:09,300 I took the video home. Back then it was VHS and put it in my player at home. 479 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:24,300 It was not a clear video. It was something was interfering the quality. 480 00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:29,300 I said, man, why is this tape missing up right now of all times? 481 00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:34,300 I'd never had a problem before that with any video. 482 00:37:34,300 --> 00:37:39,300 After that, I used that camera at least another year and a half while in digital. 483 00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:41,300 Never had a problem like that. 484 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:49,300 Whatever this thing was, whoever was responsible for it did not want clear footage of it. 485 00:37:50,300 --> 00:38:03,300 I wanted to find corroboration for the object seen by Leroy and Steve and all the other witnesses in Stephenville on January 2008. 486 00:38:04,300 --> 00:38:10,300 I had the witness statements. I knew the when and the where and the direction they were looking. 487 00:38:11,300 --> 00:38:19,300 At the Mufon event, I met a guy from Colorado, Glenn Schultz, and Glenn was a former Army radar expert. 488 00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:26,300 Anything that flies in the sky is caught with what's called primary radar data. 489 00:38:28,300 --> 00:38:33,300 So I wanted radar data to support what to the witnesses, it told me. 490 00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:37,300 The FAA won't volunteer those returns because they say nothing happened. 491 00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:42,300 So you have to send a Freedom of Information Act request in and force them to release the data. 492 00:38:43,300 --> 00:38:52,300 I sent foyers to every police department, to every military base, and the one foyer that panned out the best was the foyer to the FAA, 493 00:38:52,300 --> 00:38:58,300 which provided me with radar data from five different radar antenna across the state of Texas. 494 00:38:59,300 --> 00:39:04,300 Glenn Schultz and I went four months to go through the radar data. 495 00:39:04,300 --> 00:39:10,300 Before I went looking for any unknowns, first thing I did was track the F-16s. 496 00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:13,300 Two F-16s came in hot pursuit. 497 00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:16,300 They were flying in the same direction as these lights. 498 00:39:16,300 --> 00:39:21,300 These are the two that flew down to Comanche, Dublin, and Stephenville. 499 00:39:21,300 --> 00:39:28,300 So once I identified where the F-16s were, I wanted to start looking for objects that did not have transponders. 500 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:38,300 So I wanted to see everything that was not supposed to be in the sky, get to where Steve is, so I'm looking there. 501 00:39:38,300 --> 00:39:43,300 And do I see any unknowns that are popping up that match what he described? 502 00:39:44,300 --> 00:39:53,300 What I find is radar data that confirms what Steve Allen and Leroy Gaton have told me. 503 00:39:53,300 --> 00:40:01,300 I came out here to have a campfire, and all of a sudden I see some high intensity lights at a high velocity of speed. 504 00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:03,300 Steve is located here. 505 00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:09,300 There are two radar points that showed an object moving without a transponder. 506 00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:13,300 When we first saw the ship, it was just a few minutes after six. 507 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:20,300 The two data points match the time and the geographical location. 508 00:40:20,300 --> 00:40:25,300 Does its flame job over Stephenville just simply disappears? 509 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:32,300 This is outside of the military operating area, so it should have a transponder if it is military aircraft, but it doesn't. 510 00:40:32,300 --> 00:40:41,300 In the case of Leroy, I had about five data points on the radar indicating there is this object south of his home. 511 00:40:41,300 --> 00:40:48,300 I came outside, something caught my attention, off to the southwest sky. 512 00:40:48,300 --> 00:40:57,300 All of a sudden, these things just shoot off at a blazing speed and they travel what I say northeast. 513 00:40:57,300 --> 00:41:08,300 When he says it moves to the northeast, I get a data point ten seconds later that's to the northeast and is moving in extreme rate of speed. 514 00:41:08,300 --> 00:41:18,300 It's not very off that you get radar data that just corroborates exactly what a witness said in terms of geographic location and time. 515 00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:29,300 It showed in black and white that there was something flying out there and that the speeds that these things are traveling are like speeds that we cannot do here on Earth. 516 00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:39,300 These stories check out with the radar data, so there's absolutely no doubt that there's an object in the sky and that the object that's in the sky does not have a transponder code. 517 00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:44,300 That tells you that you're dealing with something real, whatever it is. 518 00:41:48,300 --> 00:41:50,300 When you need a boost, try it, Mel. 519 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:51,300 Okay. 520 00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:57,300 With all the attention the youth are signing, Stephen will no longer be an alien to the rest of the world. 521 00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:59,300 Now it's done! 522 00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:01,300 We'll give a natural... 523 00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,300 Hundreds of UFO sightings are reported to authorities. 524 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:08,300 I'm interested to see what both of you might want to come on out. 525 00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:09,300 Yeah, yeah. 526 00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:16,300 Is any of this stuff real? I don't know. 527 00:42:16,300 --> 00:42:29,300 I think UFOs are just as real as the lights in this room or the cameras that are in front of me. 528 00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:38,300 I think they are very real, but I think what is your idea of reality? That's the question. 529 00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:52,300 You see that the DoD and NASA even they're all hiring physicists to work on this UFO issue, and that's not where the truth of this lies. 530 00:42:52,300 --> 00:43:04,300 This lies more within the realm of the humanities, within the realm of psychology, philosophy, religious studies. 531 00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:07,300 That's where you're going to find the truth of this. 532 00:43:07,300 --> 00:43:12,300 No physicist is going to be able to tell you what this is. 533 00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:23,300 Because the physicist maybe can tell you how physical matter might behave, but the humanities will tell you why. 534 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:28,300 It's not a department of defense issue. 535 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:31,300 It's a human issue, is what it is. 536 00:43:34,300 --> 00:43:39,300 And that's why I could not justify being quiet. 537 00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,300 I've got eight children. 538 00:43:48,300 --> 00:43:52,300 We homeschool our kids and we've really seen fruit from that. 539 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:54,300 Alright, ready? Oh! 540 00:43:54,300 --> 00:43:56,300 Okay, which one first? 541 00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,300 Every day starts out with some type of Bible lesson. 542 00:43:59,300 --> 00:44:01,300 Zika was a prophet, you're right. 543 00:44:01,300 --> 00:44:02,300 It was the Old Testament. 544 00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,300 It was the Old Testament in the Old Testament. 545 00:44:04,300 --> 00:44:05,300 So, check this out. 546 00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:26,300 What was it that Zika was seeing? 547 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:29,300 Not the message part, I get the message part. 548 00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,300 I know what he saw. 549 00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:44,300 Well, suddenly came to the earth and the rims were full of, translate this for me, eyes all the way around. 550 00:44:44,300 --> 00:44:46,300 Eyes or lights. 551 00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:48,300 Lights or... 552 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:49,300 Nothing really. 553 00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,300 Windows or, right? 554 00:44:51,300 --> 00:45:00,300 To me, I think the talking about UFOs with my kids, even the littlest ones, is making scripture a lot more real for them than just a bunch of stories. 555 00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:03,300 This was Switzerland and some guy just got this on video. 556 00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,300 It's a UFO. 557 00:45:05,300 --> 00:45:07,300 What does that look like right there? 558 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:08,300 It's a wheel within a wheel. 559 00:45:08,300 --> 00:45:09,300 And that was two days ago. 560 00:45:09,300 --> 00:45:18,300 The Christian populace does not want to believe that any of this is real because if it does, it changes all of their reality. 561 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:20,300 You know, then is the Bible just for us? 562 00:45:20,300 --> 00:45:23,300 Or is it for them too? 563 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:34,300 That's a million dollar question is where does life and other planets and religion fit together? 564 00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:43,300 Somebody would ask me, did God make other creatures? 565 00:45:43,300 --> 00:45:45,300 I'd say yes. 566 00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:57,300 When Kent was telling us this story, I was the typical jerk giving him a hard time saying, here's a guy that just saw a flying Dorito. 567 00:45:57,300 --> 00:46:08,300 And when we all looked up and saw this thing, all of a sudden it changed us in a way that we look at both sides of the story more. 568 00:46:08,300 --> 00:46:14,300 Now when I hear people tell stories of things they see, I am not doubting Thomas. 569 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:17,300 I'm thinking, you know, they saw something. 570 00:46:17,300 --> 00:46:18,300 I know they did. 571 00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:21,300 Or why would they be saying this? 572 00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:32,300 Of course psychology today would tell you that, hey, if you're experiencing these things, you're seeing things in your room at night that you're schizophrenic. 573 00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:37,300 Or you have some kind of other severe mental illness. 574 00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:42,300 And to me, that's not correct. That's not right. 575 00:46:42,300 --> 00:47:01,300 When I made the decision to talk about this, to leave the Navy, I was four years away from retirement, which would have meant, you know, a pension health insurance for the rest of my life, you know, and I left that all on the table and I walked away from it. 576 00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:10,300 Because this isn't just about me, right? It's not about me at all. It's about all of us. 577 00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:16,300 It's about everybody. 578 00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:21,300 Don Quixote is one of my favorite novels, and in it, Don Quixote is a madman. 579 00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:24,300 And everything that he sees, he sees in a different light. 580 00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:31,300 Don Quixote sees these windmills, but in his mind, they're not windmills. They're giants. 581 00:47:31,300 --> 00:47:39,300 We know that we're not mad. We know that there is something credible to this because too many people saw these lights in the sky. 582 00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:46,300 And so we're not a Don Quixote. There's more to this. 583 00:47:46,300 --> 00:47:51,300 You can argue, well, it was some secret U.S. black project, right? 584 00:47:51,300 --> 00:48:04,300 But our technologies don't just suddenly leap across a hundred years of technology. They're gradually created. 585 00:48:04,300 --> 00:48:15,300 In this case, I think whatever people saw was intelligently controlled, and it was not manufactured by the United States or any other nation, for that matter. 586 00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:28,300 So about nine months later, I was driving my daughter to gymnastics in Dublin, and I saw some lights. 587 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:38,300 I pulled over to the side of the road, and I just stopped and looked out my front window, and they kind of were blinking or kind of coming in and out of focus. 588 00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:43,300 And then they kind of came together cohesively and just sort of disappeared. 589 00:48:44,300 --> 00:48:53,300 I just was so shaken and so shocked. I thought, my gosh, I'm seeing what everybody's been talking about for all this time. 590 00:48:53,300 --> 00:49:10,300 It felt like the universe was sort of playing a trick on me. I balked at the story so hard in the beginning and for so long, and then, you know, months later, you know, it was sort of like, well, you know, here it is. 591 00:49:10,300 --> 00:49:22,300 I can't believe all of the wonderful people I've met, and that's the good of UFO reporting. I've loved every minute of it, and I hope that I'm going to be doing this for a long time. Thank you. 592 00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:42,300 I could talk to Angela again. I would tell her how brave she was for understanding that there was a story there to be told, and I certainly wish that we had parted ways differently. 593 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:44,300 My biggest regret of all is that. 594 00:49:52,300 --> 00:50:03,300 Our business suffered because I was chasing the unidentified object that we saw. So it put an undue strain on our relationship and her as well. 595 00:50:03,300 --> 00:50:09,300 And after 17 years of being together and married, we ended up getting a divorce. 596 00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:19,300 My relationship suffered. My company suffered. I suffered. I still consider it a blessing that I did see it, and it's forever in my mind. 597 00:50:20,300 --> 00:50:25,300 I'm still on my quest still to this day. I will find out what happened. 598 00:50:26,300 --> 00:50:39,300 This is a great big open secret. Nothing I am saying is anything new. It's just a matter of, are you going to believe it or not? 599 00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,300 I'm not sure. 600 00:51:38,300 --> 00:51:40,300 I'm sorry. 601 00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:48,300 I'm sorry. 602 00:51:49,300 --> 00:51:51,300 I'm sorry. 603 00:52:14,300 --> 00:52:16,300 I'm sorry. 604 00:52:19,300 --> 00:52:21,300 I'm sorry.